Part 2: How To Correct a Full Drum Kit with Beat Detective in ProTools LE
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There are many ways to go about it. First, you could separate those measures like you suggested. And like this tutorial, you would have to correct all the drums to take care of any bleeding.
Another way would be to change the grid. In this video, I conform the drums to 1/16 notes. You could make the grid 1/8 triplet or something (select 1/8 note, then check the “3″ box right above “tap end B|B). You could also add some swing, like at 0:11 in the video. Let me know if this helps.
First thanks for your video explanation. It’s great.
Second… i have a question about the hi hat edit in this process.
my session have many hi hats tricks… many triplets and swing hits. not all of those hats are tight do the grid. so, if i execute your tutorial, will them get tight and fit to the grid? do i need to separate edit them?
note: i have OH and AMB track which contains hat bleeding.
thanks in advance!
Oh haha I didn’t even think about the bleeding. Knew it was the fatigue
I used Beat Detective to correct all the drums, but sometimes Beat Detective doesn’t make all the right corrections. In this case there was one small mess-up that I had to manually correct. Because the drums bleed through all the mics, you have to slice all the tracks. Make any more sense?
Hi, im pretty sure it’s only the fatigue, but I watched the videos and I still have no clue what you achieved there.
It seems to me you sliced all the tracks for only correcting one bad kick. What am I missing?
I don’t quite understand what you mean, but if you don’t use a trigger pad, the overheads can especially sound weird.
When I nudge my OH/Room audio around, I line them up with the snare. After that, I use the Trim plugin to invert the phase on certain tracks, and see what sounds good. I start with OHL/OHR. Then add in SN. Then Room – inverting different tracks along the way.
There will always be phase issues when using multiple mics.
Let me know if this helps or correct me if Im offbase.
Are there any tricks to slicing up OH and Room mic audio? I’ve never found a good balance there. If I apply all the cuts Beat Detective creates to the OH/Room mic audio it makes the cymbals sound very unnatural. On the other hand, when I move the close mics and only make slight adjustments to the OH/Room, then they’re out of phase.
Thanks again for the tips!
Thanks for watching! The purple stereo track at the top is actually the guitar, bass, vocal etc. I didn’t want separate instrument tracks and their plugins hogging any cpu power. I had separate OHL, OHR, and Room tracks for this session.
Generally I try to nudge the OH/Room tracks around before I use beat detective, but sometimes I forget and nudge them after lining them up, which is not ideal, but it still helps.
Thanks for the tutorial!
I’m curious how you treated any overhead or room mics. It looks like there’s a stereo track that you didn’t alter (purple just above the kick/snare). Won’t weird timing or phase issues be created when you move the individual mics and not the overhead/room tracks?
I do it that way so I get a preview of what beat detective is going to do to the keeper tracks. As long as the Beat Detective window is open, B.D. keeps the last used settings in memory, so I can tweak the settings on the guide track, then go back and apply all three steps (separate, conform, smooth) to the keeper tracks. Make sense? Thanks for watching and commenting!
Excellent video. Thanks.
Something I don’t get:
You conform the the kick/snare guide track before you separate regions on the keeper drum tracks. Shouldn’t that cause Beat Detective to separate the keeper tracks in the wrong place? Well, it doesn’t, but I can’t figure out why. Am I making any sense?
In other words, why not separate the guide track and then immediately separate the rest of the tracks prior to conforming?
Great tutorial. I’ve been meaning to sit down with beat detective but just never really made the time. This was exactly what I needed. Very precise and to the point. The world needs more straight shooters! Thanks a ton!
thanks for the tips. i’ll be doing some mixing tomorrow so i’ll see what works best.
I’ve never had to use that, but I know it’s a feature – It’s been so long since my Pro Tools certification; I can’t remember.
I believe the Bar | Beat Marker Generation section of beat detective is for that. The old way to do it would be to use Edit -> Identify beat, and I’ve used that before. If I’ve got some extra time today, I’ll look it up. Thanks for watching.
great stuff, i actually searched all over in desperation. i’m working with a metalcore band at dallas sound labs and they’re one of those bands that literally changes tempo every 4 bars (just how the genre is). we tried to program a click track and 4 hours later we had 30 seconds of drums recorded haha. so we decided to forget the click and basically now im in a little dilemma. can i use beat detective to remotely work with this song in any way with all of its tempo changes???
maybe. thanks for watching!
good vid, wouldn’t it be faster to use new playlists instead of save as
Great. Way too warm though. 30 Celcius the whole summer…Sitting in the studio with no shirt on becouse of the heat:)
I make music for a living:)
I see you’ve got quite the track there. Have any plans of releasing it?
Hey how’s Norway? Do you make music for a living or just a hobby?
Great video! VERY helpful
A big thank you from Norway 
Maybe I’ll add some in the annotations someday. Also, I use a Pro Tools keyboard, which is super helpful. With command focus (az) engaged, most of the shortcuts I use during this video are:
Cmd + 8 = Beat Detective Menu
P = Move selection up a track
; = Move selection down a track.
Tab = Tab to transient (with tab to transient option selected)
T / R = Zoom In / Zoom Out
B = Separate
F5 thru F10 = Editing tools
Search google images for “Pro Tools Keyboard” to find the layout. Hope this helps.
Thanks a lot. Great help. Would be awesome if you could include more keyboard shortcuts?
Thanks for watching (:
Nice tutorial production as well.
great work man! really hlepful and interesting, thanks